Eps 240: Exploring the divine purpose of the parenting journey with Michelle Bowen

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Casey O'Roarty 0:04
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Hi. Podcast listeners. I am so excited to welcome this week's guest Michelle Owen to the podcast. Michelle is a parent empowerment coach, entrepreneur and mother to a child who she gave birth to at the early stages of her awakening. The only way for Michelle to continue to further expand in her awakening was to utilize her relationship with her child. Your child is your guide. Was birth from her own process with her child that brought about an enormous transformation in her life, in her practice, she specializes in guiding you to the realization of the divinity of your child and your relationship with them, which initiates a level of accountability that aids in the acceleration of both your healing and your actualization. Michelle learned that her child was her guide and provides you with guidance and applicable practices that allow you to see the same the courses created by Michelle, along with her other offerings, show you how to achieve the actualization of the unconditionally loving relationship that you want, that we all want with our kids. Hi, Michelle, welcome to the podcast.

Michelle Bowen 3:15
Hey, Casey, thank you for having me.

Casey O'Roarty 3:17
I am so excited for you to tell us more about your journey of doing what you do.

Michelle Bowen 3:25
So this actually wasn't planned what I'm currently doing. It came about through a process that I underwent when I was awakening. I would say that my own process started around 2012 and I was really heavily seeking around 2014 2015 which actually became something that I was doing more of after I had my daughter. But I did have my daughter in 2015 summer of that year. So when I found out that I was pregnant in October of 2014 I was very scared. I was very scared that having my daughter was going to be a hindrance in my realization, or be a hindrance in just my spiritual growth and my progress. I did not have many teachers at the time that were resonating with me, that had children themselves, so it wasn't a topic coming out of the mouths of my favorite teachers at the time after I had my child, a few things had occurred prior to having her. I left her father when I was six months pregnant, and a few other life changes occurred then I had her and again, you know, before having her, because I had been seeking for quite some time, for a few years, and my head just down in the in certain books, mana, Maharishi, ventina, Massaro, Eckhart, Tolle, many others, Adi Ashanti, many others. I just, you know, assumed, you know, I got this. I'm. Having a child now, 26 at least. I, you know, at least I'm enlightened, you know. So i i jokes on, you know, yeah, it's gonna be easy. So I had her, and then, you know, it was, you know, beautiful in the beginning, as it is usually. And then I realized that, you know, all of the subconscious beliefs that I had not yet uncovered, that were still there. She brought it all up. She was she brought up. She anything that I had not healed, that I had not healed, or not even considered looking at to heal within. She uncovered, she assisted in the uncovering of all of it, every blind spot, she brought it up and continues to it's an ongoing journey. There is no destination. She's growing. I'm growing. One person that I know can show me any blind spots is my child. So what I thought was going to be a hindrance to my self realization and to my growth on this journey ended up being the most pivotal co creation regarding my healing process. And you really can't actualize on this plane until you've actually healed. So for so long, I ignored, you know, chakras learning about shock. I just, I really was totally owned in on the Self Realization. And I was, wasn't, I wasn't trying to fool with anything that talked about, you know, inner work, or, you know, chakra balancing, or inner child wounds, none of that stuff. I was like, that's okay, you know, I'm just going to focus on these books that have that don't really speak too much on that. So she kind of came in saying, you know, I know you didn't really want to look at this, but you got to, because I have a life that I'm here to live, and in order for me to do so, gotta have some unconditional love going on. And you got blocks. So, yeah. So, yeah, it was a blessing, biggest blessing.

Casey O'Roarty 7:04
So let me I want to take you back, because there's a I'm just thinking about the listeners experience, and I'm guessing that there might be some languaging that I would love for you to tease apart for them. So you mentioned that before you had your daughter, that you were seeking and that you were looking to be awakened. Can you talk a little bit about what that means to you? What kind of inspired you to begin to get curious? Right? So I'm guessing there was some curiosity there. Like, what was your curiosity? What was your guide in the beginning of doing, you know, your own personal work, and what does self actualized mean to you that was like four questions that I just threw at you,

Michelle Bowen 7:43
yeah, no problems that, yeah, beautiful questions. So for me, I started to wake up to the to the idea that I am more than just my body, and that I am beyond my thoughts when I around 2012 when I in 2013 when I came across you, the secret and Eckhart Tolle and Abraham Hicks material that resonated with me. And it was very new again, I was raised Christian. So this was very new, but it resonated. It resonated a lot. And you know, after reading some of that information, I was led to different books, Osho, different teachers. So when I say seeking, I mean there's a lot of material out there that is resonating with me. It's like hitting me at a at a level where it's like, I don't quite get it. I see that it says, look within, I don't quite get what you mean. But I feel it something, something is telling me that this is making sense. And so it caused me to keep going. You finish one book. Oh, on to the next. It's almost like, you know, I was just continuing to find more and more and more and more out there on something that for me was like I had found, like some gem, like some uncovered some gem. Little did I know that there were many communities, many people out here who I was, my perception was closed off to when I when I was not, when I was not looking for it, when I was desire for that. But at the time that I started to uncover or find these teachers and these teachings, I was desiring very much to learn who and what I am, and so that's what I mean when I say seeking. The energy that I was in at that time was, was a seeking energy. It was not a a solid grounded in my being, energy I had not I had not. When I had my daughter, I was not solid and grounded in my being. I was still very. Much seeking when I had her, when she was conceived, and after having her, although the me at that time may have, may have felt otherwise. I may have felt like I found it, or whatever it is, but I was still very much so seeking after having her, when I actually started undergoing processes of healing and really, really beginning to unconditionally love myself and allowing things to come up and be seen, and really started to transmute energies. That's when actualization was available. Actualization, meaning we can realize who and what we are you. We can realize that we are beyond our bodies, that we are not the thoughts that we think. We are, not the emotions that we feel, that we are witness to them. We are actually what allows all of that to come and go. We can realize that, and that's lovely, and that's amazing. But actualization is when we embody that, and when our actions in this moment with other human beings, with my child, with you, with anyone, is an embodiment of that realization. And that really started to kick in when I really understood that the relationship I had with my daughter was a divine co creation, a partnership, something that was truly healing for me, and utilizing our relationship in that manner is what allowed The actualization and the acceleration of that actualization, because she's, that's my daughter, so she's with me. 24/7, you know, pretty much. And that gives a lot of opportunities to walk your talk, and walking your talk being what you know, what you realize yourself to be, in action in your human form, that doing that more and more and more with the opportunities presented with your child, that's what brings about the acceleration, the more that we unconditionally love, that accelerates your journey here. And so that's what I meant by seeking an actualization.

Casey O'Roarty 12:19
Michelle, I love all of this. This is so right? I just feel super aligned with all of this. And I'm so grateful to have a platform to have these kinds of conversations. And I really appreciate teasing apart the difference, you know, because many of those teachers that you mentioned, I've, you know, I've read the books, especially when I was young, pre kids, right? There were a few books that I read that really kind of lit me up and helped me to recognize, like you're talking about, that there's a more expansive reality than just, you know, the physical plane of being in the body, and you know, the kind of surface to do's that we have every day, there's bigger things happening, and then having the kids bumping into all of the conditioning, and recognizing that there's a choice there, right? I mean, there is a choice, and I feel like some of us see that there's a choice, and then, depending on, I mean, a lot of things, we can see that there's a choice, or we can be in the resistance, right? And it's more of that surface level. Why have this child and this child's job is to do the right thing, so that I don't have to feel anger or disappointment or embarrassment, right? That kind of surface level, physical plane. I mean, I would think that that would be more physical plane experience versus what you're talking about, like the expansive opportunity to see, like, Oh, now I have this person and man, they're getting under my skin. Right? Their response and being in the world is triggering, you know, is bringing up anger for me or embarrassment for me, or worry or fear or self doubt. I mean, there's the whole list of words, right, and emotions that go along with it, and it's so interesting. Did you find Dr Shefali on your quest? Michelle, yes,

Michelle Bowen 14:18
I did. Oh, good, yeah, I did come across her work as well. I did, yeah,

Casey O'Roarty 14:25
because I love what she talks about, and I've mentioned her a lot the last few weeks, because I've been following her through the pandemic and the quarantine. She's been doing daily teachings, but she talks about how our kids are here to be in their fullest expression, and their fullest expression is going to show us, just like you said, where our issues are, where our blind spots are, where our work is, and our conditioning and we all have it, you know, unless you were raised by you. Know, wonderfully self actualized

humans and then lived in a bubble of that. You know, you have some conditioning all of us do. But, yeah, I feel like bringing in the role of parent. And my listeners hear me say this all the time. It's one long opportunity for personal growth and development and recognizing that there's so much work to do, and if you're not someone who's open to that, then the journey of parenthood is just a lot of suffering, I'm guessing, for those people. And so I'm fascinated by you know, like you found your path, you stepped down to your path, kind of on your own. As a young person, pre kids, I dabbled. I would say I definitely has been the last 10 years. So, you know, kind of my kids are 14 and 17, so it's really been the last 10 years that I've deep dived into the work. What do you notice about the people that you work with around you know, the resistance versus the openness to learning and growing and development, and maybe those that are in resistance aren't necessarily like, Hey, I hear you're an embodiment coach. Can you or an empowerment coach, can you support me so?

But even then, people come to us right, and they don't realize what they're asking for, right, right,

Michelle Bowen 16:36
right, exactly. So the beings that I tend to work work with typically, are fed up and ready and excited, like, yeah, fed up with repeating the same like just noticing that, like Groundhog's Day, they are having these same arguments with their children day in and day out. They are hitting the same resisting points within themselves, day in and day out, every single day. And they are fed up with it. They are fed up. They're tired of yelling, they're tired of screaming, they're tired of spanking their children. They're tired of they're tired of all of it. They are ready, because when I say ready, I mean they're ready to do whatever it is that they have. They're hearing someone else has done that has been effective. So they are just, they're just ready to implement anything like it. They're at this point, I wouldn't call it desperation. They're excited because they there's something that resonates with what they see on my either Facebook page or my Instagram page or the free course that I offer it, there's a resonance there that allows them to feel comfortable with, you know, not only pursuing the coaching, but also being excited about it. They just feel like all they have to do is just tune in, listen and do what, do, what they're told, just to trial and error. What's the worst that can happen? They're just ready to try something different and something that's simplified and that's not, you know, made into something that's extremely complex. And they're just ready. And the resistance, the resist, so I don't really tend to experience, I haven't yet come into too much resistance. In that sense, they're usually just set up and just ready. Any resistance that I tend to see is actually in applying the practices, and it's more so than realizing the depth to the resistance that they were carrying within themselves towards their children. Because when I provide applicable practices to actually start doing as soon as possible with your children in the moment, it can be noticed how hard it is to actualize, to be the parent that you want to be in action when there's this heavy conditioning that's coming up that's preventing you from giving a hug in this resistant, this moment where you usually would like, you know, go off the handle, but you know, one of the practices is to to hug in this moment and don't so, so it's usually a lot of resistance without applying certain practices that I provide. But once, once they sign up, they, you know, it's not a it's not a secret that we're talking about uprooting conditioning and rising beyond, going beyond it, and it's yeah, it's gonna take, it takes effort, but at the point when they usually come to me, they're ready, they're ready, yeah,

Casey O'Roarty 19:47
you know, it's interesting. I would say the same about my one on one clients, and then I but I noticed when I do classes, when it's more of like a class in the local community or. Online, I guess, because it's less of a financial investment. So perhaps maybe it's, I don't know, it's just interesting, you know, some I'll hear like, oh yeah, this is all well and good what you're telling us to do. But in the moment, I'm really I'm pissed and and so then I think that's where the deep dive into conditioning happens. Is like, Yeah, well, let's talk about that. Let's talk about what's triggering you. Let's talk about what's you know, what's being activated inside of you. And I loved your actualized or embodied. To me, the word that I used is integration. Yes, right? We can know. We can hear the tools, we can hear the strategies. We can read the books and listen to the podcasts and watch the videos. That's all well and good, and we've all done it and stepping into the practice, integrating it, and especially around like and helping parents. And I'm sure you get this like, it's wobbly at first, it's uncomfortable, it falls flat. We are messy. And not to judge yourself or or or the work around that initial step in right? Because you, when you're trying something new, it is, it is going to feel, I mean, there's those beautiful moments too, right? When it's like, oh my gosh, it was so helpful, and I felt so connected to my child, and we can celebrate those. And sometimes, wow, that was really hard, and it felt really forced. Or I feel like, you know, that's something that I hear from parents sometimes is just like, this isn't my typical language. This isn't what I typically do. And so of course, it's going to feel uncomfortable and awkward. Yes,

Michelle Bowen 21:51
I agree completely. That is that I had not done when I had my child. I had not integrated. I had consumed so much information, and the consumption of that information had me feeling, you know, higher, so to speak. Then prior to learning about positive vibes, about about, you know, realizing your true self, your true essence, any of that, you know, where I was prior to, you know, realizing it or finding any of that material. You know, of course, the consumption of that type of material had me feeling much better than before. So I was just under the impression that, you know, consume, consume, consume, as long as I'm reading this and absorbing this. I got it, but I had not actually integrated the information and the integration is, is, is what had to what happened, what was was inevitable over time, but my child accelerated my healing and integration process, because if I wanted to actually be the loving mother that I knew myself to be, the unconditionally loving mother I knew myself to be. I was going to have to integrate, as you said, I was going to have to really integrate the information that I had spent so much time prior to having her consuming. And it was a beautiful blessing to realize that you're triggering the hell out of me. But if it wasn't you triggering me right now, it would be somebody else, because it's not really you. It's not really about you, it's about what I've suppressed within for so long, and now you're giving me opportunity after opportunity to however way it presents itself, in whatever way the opportunities present themselves. You jumping off the couch. You doing whatever it is you do. It's opportunities in the physical to do some work, non physically, you know, to do some energetic work. And it when I'm when that's when I started to truly get the dynamic that was truly happening on an energetic level when I was triggered by her, that was when shifts, real shifts started to occur, shifts that could not have occurred just by me reading book after book after book after book and yeah so and then, of course, that you know everything that we're discussing here, it's applicable for all, For everybody you interact with, you know, your parents, everybody.

Casey O'Roarty 24:23
I think we often will say our child's behavior triggers us, you know, and I think that it's and I What if we there's a reframe that we can be using, that could be, my child's behavior is triggering my conditioning. My child's behavior is triggering, triggering my conditioning. And then I hear, I hear the parent going, but, yeah, but I don't want them to jump off the couch, or, yeah, but it's not okay for them to hit their sibling. Or, yeah, but, you know, like, the whole like, okay, great, all that's great, which I think is hilarious when people go there, because there's always one. I. Know, especially if you have a room full of people that you're speaking to. But, yeah, but, and really, it misses the point, because, and I just want to connect some dots around what we're talking about for listeners, because what we're talking about is how to shift our being in the moment, so that when we address the jumping on the couch, or when we address the and I'm using the word address, for lack of a better word, navigate, could be another one. The whatever the behavior is, we are coming from a really grounded, centered, neutral place, because I think when our conditioning has been triggered, we become hijacked, and then what's driving us is whatever that emotion is. You know, typically, I know in my experience, the emotion is typically a feeling of fear or lack of control when I get into my parenting mischief, that's definitely driving the train. So really, when I'm hearing you talk about the work being how to parent from a place of being just in our, in our, in our most neutral. I don't know why I like the word neutral, but it just feels good neutral essence, right from a place of being able to hear without having the filter of I was hurt as a child by this certain experience or ongoing experiences, and now I have to look through this particular filter we get to break free of that and see the child in front of us without the hindrance of the conditioning. Does that make sense? I just kind of went into a little spiral. Yes, yeah, I love that. And just like you said, it's not just our kids, right? So you know, we're living through ongoing social, racial unrest in our country, and it's fascinating as a white person, to recognize, you know, my conditioning being triggered right even as I stand and you know, my heart aches and my heart breaks, and I want to do the right thing, and I want to be in Support Recognizing this, this inner desire to want to do right, and continuously feeling like I'm getting it wrong. And all the emotions that are showing up for that right, all the conditioning that is showing up for that is really interesting and challenging. And you know, it exists. This is the this is the culture that we live in and without doing our own inner work, bringing it back to our conversation, you know, I can't support my kids. I can't support my brothers and sisters and families and community members who are struggling, if I'm not going to be able to recognize when my conditioning is being triggered and to see it as an opportunity to learn and grow.

Michelle Bowen 28:07
That's beautiful. Yeah, I think that what's happening right now is we've seen it many times before in history, and I think it does trigger, you know, all of us, all races. It does. It does have a triggering effect on it, on everyone. Um, I do, especially with what we're discussing here. It's a call to do in these moments, to be and do in these moments as we would want our children to be and do in these moments. We're really being called to be, be right now, in these times, what it is that we would love to see our children, grandchildren be in these times, in these moments. And that's not divided. It's not divided, and it's we want them to be peaceful, full of clarity, so that they're able to act when opportunities present themselves to act, so that they can be stable and follow their own inner guidance and trust themselves and to not be so easily swayed by the media. We I don't think we want our children to be easily swayed by anything or anyone. We want them to be grounded, and we want the peace, the clarity, the awareness we and the love, even in the most tumultuous of times, we want that for our children, because we want that for ourselves, and we are being called in these moments to be that now, to be that right now, and to not feed into anything that's divisive in nature. Sure anything. A lot of what's happening is painful and it is very triggering, and things that have gone on for many different generations, oh

Casey O'Roarty 30:14
yeah, since the beginning of the fucking country, I mean, but we're not new,

Michelle Bowen 30:19
right? Each time that this happens, we're being called to do things differently. So right now, we're being called to do it, to respond differently, not to not to react the way that you know it could be easily predicted that we would react in these moments, but to respond and to respond in love, to do basically everything that we teach, we tell our clients to do with our children. We're being now with our fellow human, our peers, our colleagues, our children, and the people that that you know, society based on looking at history, you know, would not think that we would be this way with but to be to be our unconditionally loving selves with them, with everybody. And I think that is what we're being called to do with what is happening right now, to be there for everybody, regardless of your race, and to truly understand that, you know, this is not just about race. It's bigger than that, and that we are all one, and anytime we are operating in any way other than the realization that we are all one and United at our core, when we act in any way other than that, we are going to see different variations of that untruth, of that of that separate way of thinking, of way of believing, and it and it's not going to feel good. It's not ever going to feel good on a collective level, until collectively we have realized that we are all one. Yeah. I

Casey O'Roarty 32:07
uh, well, and I, you know, it's, it's bringing to mind for me. So the majority of my listeners are white women. So I'm taking that into context right now and recognizing too. And I talk about this a lot in the context of parenting. It's, you know, and I and it's my own work, like, don't take it personally. Our kids behavior. It's not about us. Quit taking it personally. Quit taking it personally. And just like you said, it's big, this is this conversation is bigger than parenting. And if we're compartmentalizing, you know, this is how I want to show up for our my child, without integrating it into all of our relationships, which I kind of, I'm hoping I'm speaking to the choir here everyone you listen to me every week, and you know that I talk about, we call it parenting, but really it's humaning. It's being in relations with other human beings, whether it's our children or community or, you know, whoever it is, and how often, and especially in this conversation around racial inequality right now, how easy and and you know that I feel like In my experience, my own privilege and whiteness and implicit bias. And, you know, conditioned racism is, you know, it's just like, layer after layer, like, oh shit, oh gosh, yeah, oh gosh, yeah. And inside of that discomfort, as I continue to learn about myself, right, as I continue to learn about myself, it's so easy, and I'm probably doing it right now. It's so easy to center myself in the equation like, well, it's really hard for me, Michelle, to look at my conditioning, right? And just, I'm saying this as an example for all the listeners to remember that just because it's uncomfortable for you to be learning about yourself doesn't mean that you don't do it. Well, I wouldn't. I can't say we wouldn't. I know that there probably are people that in the context of parenting and the self work that lives there, you know, there are layers that we get to that you know might feel like, you know what? This is too hard. I'm done, but God, I mean, you know, if you're at that point, whether it's in the context of parenting or in the context of you know what's happening in our society, go get a therapist. Find someone to support you in the journey, right? Because it's also not necessarily a journey that we have to do alone or are meant to do alone, right? Find resources, find guides, find teachers, right? Michelle, you mentioned a few different resources that helped you in the beginning of your awakening and be focused in on that integration, right, on taking what you're learning and putting it into action even when it. Feels wobbly, even when it feels hard.

Michelle Bowen 35:02
I love that you said that. You know, just because it's hard to look at it doesn't mean don't, not, you know, don't do it right? The magic to me is really in the hard spots. I mean, just in general, you know, the magic with with my child and with our children, the magic and the miracles and the potency for transformation is right there in the moment where you're in resistance and where you you can see how when you look back at your childhood, this particular moment would have had my mom losing her mind, and my grandmother would have been losing her mind right here, but right now, it's my turn, and I'm resistant in this moment, but there's so much magic here for me. If I be with it, see it, look at it, and do differently, respond differently. That's where the magic is, is in looking at the stuff that's hard to look at. Um, yeah, it's, there's, I mean, we can, we can make it seem like there's magic in in comfort, but, I mean, but, but for me, they're real. This is, life is constantly changing. That's the only constant, is the fact that is the fact that things change. Well, I

Casey O'Roarty 36:19
love that you're using the word magic too. Because to me, when I think about magic, it, it goes from being this like, Oh, I've got to do this really deep, dark work, to like, Oh, I get to, I get to be different than what's come before me. I get to be different than what I received. And then, you know, moving I have a daughter too, you know. And thinking about our daughters and their parent if they choose to be moms and and how they get to show up differently, it's just, it is, it's, it's, it's, it brings a sense of a hope and lightness to the work. I think when you use that, that word magic, I love that, Michelle, this is so good. This is so good. So do you have any What are you talk about your resources a little bit you have a free class. Tell the listeners about your free class and about your book coming up. Share, share, share,

Michelle Bowen 37:12
yes. So I do offer a free course. And then there's also group immersions that I do, the 10 week immersions that I do because of just the potency of a group. Who are, you know, when, when all the parties and all the members in a group are just as ready and fed up and excited, you know, to be able to bounce that off of each other and bounce their their growth and development and what they're going through, and to be that support system for each other. It's very potent to work with groups. So I do the 10 week group immersion courses, you know, where the goal is to actualize the relationship with their child that they desire. And then then also, I offer a free, a free online course, a few modules and worksheets that really get parents to just dive within, dive deep within, and to see some things or bring some things to light that we might not really speak too much about in the parenting circles. And so for the activism, for the activation of both the remembrance of who they are and the realization of the Divine bond between them and their child. So really, just calling them to really see that you didn't just have a child. You actually just accelerated your growth. So there's a free course available for that. And yes, I do have a book coming out the end of June, 2020, no later than mid July of this year, a book coming out called your child is your guide.

Casey O'Roarty 38:39
So where can people find your work? So

Michelle Bowen 38:43
I have links. If anybody goes to my Facebook page, your child is your guide. Spell spelled just the way it should be spelled. Your child is your guide. Um, there are links there to both, to both courses, to the free course as well, and on Instagram, Michelle Bowen, underscore, so m, I, C, H, E, L, L, E, Bowen, B, O, W, E, N, underscore. And also, I have a page on Instagram called your child is your guide, and in the bio is a link that takes you to the sites for my work,

Casey O'Roarty 39:20
awesome and listeners, you know that all the links will be available in the show notes. So I have one last question, Michelle that I always end with with my guests, and that is in the context of all that we've talked about, what does joyful courage mean to you?

Michelle Bowen 39:40
That's a beautiful question. Doing the work that we are called to do, and the work that the divine relationship between us and our children inspire, and doing it in. Courageously and happily,

Casey O'Roarty 40:04
love it. Thank you so much for being a guest. Michelle, it was really great talking to you.

Thank you so much for showing up and listening in on another show. I'm so incredibly grateful for the joyful courage community. There are so many ways to stay connected beyond the podcast. You can follow joyful courage on Facebook and Instagram. You can join one of the Facebook groups. Live in love with joyful courage, or joyful courage for parents of teens, word is that both of these communities are some of the most compassionate and supportive spaces for parents to really show up in all of their authenticity and all of their vulnerability and feel seen and supported. I am incredibly proud of that. If you want to take it up a notch, you can join the Patreon community. There. You get to catch live streams of the solo shows twice a month. We have monthly group calls and so much more. Check that out at patreon.com/joyful. Courage. That's P, A, T, R, E, O n.com/joyful, courage. Head over there, check it out, and as always, you're welcome to offer thoughts and feedbacks directly to me at Casey, at joyful courage.com. I read and respond to all of my emails. Big thanks to my team for all the ways they support my work. My editor, Chris Mann from pod shaper, and my project manager, Tay, who does more behind the scenes than you can ever imagine, I will be back next week with a brand new show. Until then, find your breath, release the tension in your body, move up and into the balcony seat and trust that everything is going to be okay.

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