Eps 564: Positive Discipline for Teens Part One – Transitioning into Adolescence

Today Joyful Courage is what I see my clients leaning into when they choose to have faith in their kids to grow through what they are going through.

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[00:00:00] Casey O'Roarty: Welcome, welcome, welcome to the Joyful Courage Podcast. This is a place where parents of tweens and teens come to find inspiration, information, and encouragement. In the messy terrain of adolescents, this season of parenting is no joke. And while the details of what we're all moving through might be slightly different, we are indeed having a very collective experience.
[00:00:30] This is a space where we center building, relationship, nurturing life skills, and leaning into our own personal growth and man. The opportunities abound, right. My name is Casey O'Roarty. I am a parent coach, positive discipline lead trainer, and captain of the adolescent ship over at Sprout Bowl. I'm also a speaker and a published author.
[00:00:53] I've been working with parents and families for. Over 20 years and continue to navigate my own experience of being a mom with my two young adult kids. I'm so honored that you're here and listening. Please give back to the podcast by sharing it with friends or on social media rate and review us on Apple or Spotify.
[00:01:13] Word of mouth is how we grow. Thank you so, so much. Enjoy the show.
[00:01:24] Hi. Hey. Hi. Hi. Glad to be back with you on this Monday show. We're starting into this new decade of the podcast and. You know, I'm gonna be playing around with content and what to bring you. I think I've mentioned this the last couple of weeks. I'm changing up the format. I'm using these Monday shows to dig into some books and pop culture and just the narrative, the conversation that's happening around parenting.
[00:01:58] Teens. Last week I dug into adolescence on Netflix. I got some good feedback about that. Have you watched that show yet? Man, it's intense. And I mentioned last week that starting today and for the next five weeks, I'm gonna do a deep dive review of positive discipline for teenagers by Jane Nelson and Lynn Lot.
[00:02:26] And the reason that I'm doing this is I figure now is the best time to go back to the roots of what we're doing here, of what we're talking about here in this space. So just to remind you or let you know if you're new positive discipline, capital P, capital D. Is a parenting program that was developed by Jane Nelson and it focuses on teaching children important social and life skills through mutual respect, encouragement, and connection.
[00:03:01] And it emphasizes firm yet kind, guidance, helping kids develop self-discipline, responsibility, and problem solving ability. So in positive discipline instead of punishments. The approach that we use is positive communication, natural consequences, which you don't create by the way, and consistent routines.
[00:03:26] Also, a lot of collaboration and co-creation. Focusing on solutions PD encourages strong parent-child relationships, fostering a safe and supportive environment where kids learn to thrive emotionally and behaviorally. And. That's all great, right? Positive discipline with teenagers. This book, I'm holding it up.
[00:03:52] You can't see me 'cause this is a podcast. Positive discipline when our kids become teenagers, really shifts to reflect their growing needs for autonomy, identity, respect, while the core principles of kindness firmness. Connection and mutual respect stay the same. The approach becomes even more collaborative.
[00:04:17] Right. And it's just, I mean, if you haven't already been invited into personal growth, have teenagers and there you go. So here's how it gets adapted when we're talking about teenagers. Like I said, there's more collaboration. Teens are invited to help solve problems and set boundaries promoting their ownership over themselves and their behavior and personal responsibility.
[00:04:42] When we're thinking about the teen years positive discipline in this era, this season of parenting is really about respecting independence and encourages parents to focus more on guiding rather than directing, allowing natural consequences to teach lessons. It's focused a lot on open communication conversations, which for parents means more active listening and empathy and less telling.
[00:05:11] Active listening and empathy becomes even more important because what we want most is for our teens to feel heard and understood. Once they feel that way, they're gonna be more likely to hear and understand us, but we gotta start with them. And finally, when we're thinking about, I mean, this is something we think about regardless of where we are in the parenting journey, but you know, especially as we get into the teen years.
[00:05:38] It is really that focus on long-term goals, right? And so when we think about discipline in this context, discipline isn't like what we do to our kids to get them to behave well. Discipline is about teaching and guiding and discipline in this context emphasizes developing self-discipline, decision making, and emotional regulation.
[00:06:02] Rather than short-term compliance, even though we all get a high off of short-term compliance, we get to really keep our eyes on the prize, right? Which is those long-term goals. So ultimately, to me, positive discipline with teens is about maintaining connection while getting out the way and empowering them to navigate their world.
[00:06:24] With evermore confidence and accountability. So yeah, we're gonna go through the positive discipline for Teenagers book. We're gonna do it over the next five weeks. So I'm just gonna take a few chapters at a time. The guide that holds all the answers, right? The guide that holds all the answers to parenting teenagers.
[00:06:46] My vision is that we do this together. Right. I would love for you to read along. I want you to read along, and I mentioned this in the Facebook group and here on the podcast last week, but it would be great if you came to each episode having read the section that I was gonna cover, and I truly believe that these episodes are gonna be able to stand alone.
[00:07:10] Apart from the book, you're gonna get plenty out of the reviews. To take and integrate, but you wanna go next level? Get the book read along. So today we're covering through chapter three next week, the 21st. We are gonna be covering up through chapter six, the following week, the 28th, the show that goes out.
[00:07:31] Then we'll be covering through chapter nine, May 5th through chapter 12 and May 12th. We will have read through chapter 14, so I'll put that in the show notes. That's the loose schedule. And each week, starting this week, I'm gonna take a chunk and review and offer my hot takes. And again, here's why I'm doing this.
[00:07:57] The reason I'm doing it is because. I see this in the conversations in the Facebook group. Parents really like this concept, really like this program. And maybe you've been a parent who has been using positive discipline and now you're entering adolescence. And it feels like, for me, it felt like the floor dropped and I didn't really have a good understanding of like, oh shit.
[00:08:20] What does this look like with my teenagers who are doing really crazy things? Right? Or, or there's parents. Maybe some of you have found me. You know, recently and positive discipline is new to you, and it just feels like we have the model that we grew up with. And beyond that, how do we be with what is a messy season of parenting and of human for our kids, right?
[00:08:50] So it's hard. It's hard, right? We worry our kids are making bigger mistakes. Individuation and teen brain development is happening, and depending on who you are, maybe you know about individuation and teen brain development. Maybe you don't. Plus we have all of our own stuff to navigate as our kids grow and explore and expand and make mistakes.
[00:09:14] All of our own stuff gets kind of stirred around. And we might find ourselves in desperation mode, shooting from the hip in resistance, like I talked about last Thursday. It's hard to witness right what our kids are going through, and it makes sense that we want to get more control, which we're gonna talk about in a little bit, right?
[00:09:36] And while we're gonna discover and remember that all the content here on the podcast lives underneath this umbrella of positive discipline. My hope is that going through the book continues to just strengthen the foundation that we're all standing on as we navigate this messy terrain. And I want you to feel seen.
[00:09:56] I want you to feel validated, right? We're all in this together. So let's start with chapter one.
[00:10:12] The title of chapter one is How Do You Know When Your Child Becomes a Teen? And I just wanna let you know I've read this book multiple times and it always feels good to revisit my experience of going through it again. Every time is like, oh yeah, oh yeah, this is a great. Book for parents of teenagers and you know, it's like the leftovers that taste better the next day.
[00:10:36] That's kind of like my experience of this book as my kids continued to get older and I kept coming back to it again and again and was even more helpful. So, okay. First chapter. Chapter one, how do you know when your child becomes a teen? It's all about how we feel and this first chapter really takes broad strokes and paints the big picture of adolescent.
[00:10:56] It's a great lead in to the rest of the book. We're reminded that this is an era. Our kids are moving into something new, something new and different, and it isn't them being difficult or self-centered or not caring about us. Adolescence isn't a test. Of whether or not you've done a good job up until now.
[00:11:21] Okay. It's a thing in and of itself. It's a shift in brain development. It's a time for our kids to be exploring identity and possibility. It's the rewiring that every human needs. To successfully move from childhood into adulthood. It is the transition. Adolescence is the transition. The transition is this season.
[00:11:47] Right. It's a long transition and we live in it too, right? We live in this transition with our kids. We can learn about it, we can work to understand it, or we can resist it, but regardless, it's happening. So we have a choice in how we're experiencing it. So this first chapter opens up with stories about, you know, how you know your child has entered adolescent.
[00:12:12] It's not a scientific formula. Instead it's an invitation to pay attention to how you're feeling and what you're noticing. So are you suddenly noticing that you're a bit panicked? About what your kiddo is doing, what they're asking to do. They're asking for more freedom, right? They're expecting more freedom.
[00:12:35] Does that make you feel a little like, oh God, I'm behind. What's going on? How do I keep the reins on this? Right. Are you navigating a new level of the emotional rollercoaster, either for yourself or for your child? Are you wondering where that little kid went? Only to find this big kid. Wanting to be left alone, door closed in their room.
[00:12:59] And how does that feel? Are you realizing, are you starting to realize that the level of control that you thought you had over your child was all just an illusion and that ultimately they're gonna make choices for themselves? Welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome to Adolescence. It's all of this and so much more.
[00:13:21] And chapter one. Yeah. Opens the door to this. There's a lot of conversation around teen brain development. I think what I like about Jane and Lynn, the authors of this book, how they. Unfolded brain development for us is, it doesn't feel like you're reading about brain development. You're just reading about development.
[00:13:40] It's really practical and if you're a fan of Dan Siegel and the essence of adolescence, you can see the overlap in how they explain the development during this time and how Dan gets a little more sciencey and talks about it. But yeah, teen brain development, their need to try and figure out who they are.
[00:14:01] Right. Their tendency to turn towards their peers and be so embarrassed by you, their desire to figure things out for themselves, individuation, and of course, the emotional and physical changes that come alongside all of it, right? So teen brain development happens no matter what. No matter what kind of parenting you did, from zero to 10 or zero to 12, adolescent brain development is happening.
[00:14:28] Right. All of these things are happening, and what I really appreciate too about this chapter is the way the authors wove in the conversation around rebellion, right? Because we think about teenagers, I think most of you who have younger kids that are listening, you know, are kind of bracing yourself, right?
[00:14:46] How do we avoid rebellion? And something that is interesting is individuation, which is our teen's, developmentally appropriate work. To try to figure out who they are, separate from the family. Individuation can feel like rebellion and rebellion feels really scary, right? When we experience our kids as rebelling, we get all sorts of worked up, don't we?
[00:15:14] We get scared. We imagine all the worst case scenarios, and we move into that more resistant. Reactive, overly emotional space with our teens. Listen to episode 5 63 for more on resistance. And guess what that does? It makes it worse. And we talk about this all the time on the show, how to not make it worse, right?
[00:15:39] And then as we move into chapter two. Chapter two moves from what we are witnessing, how we know when teenager hood adolescence is showing up, which could be, you might have a 10-year-old and you might be getting little pokes of like, oh, here it comes, right? Maybe yous, it's more 12, 13, 14, but it's a range.
[00:16:03] Chapter two, we move from that into how our kids might be witnessing or experiencing us. Right, because again, they're in a transitional period of time as humans developing. We're in a transitional time as parents developing, right? So they're also experiencing us in our transition. And this matters, right?
[00:16:29] It matters a lot. I love that. Chapter two focuses on this because how our kids are experiencing us really, really matters. And I think the wise parent. Is one that maintains curiosity around their teenager's experience of them. Right. You know how I love to talk about E plus R equals O. I talked about at the last show I went hard on this last week, how we respond right to the events and experiences.
[00:16:59] It influences the outcomes that we're living through, right? And it's a loop. Our reaction to experiences is influencing outcomes which turn into new experiences that we react to and new outcomes. So this is happening for us, this loop, it's also happening for our teens, and the events and experiences for them are all the things that are happening in their life as well as us and how we are showing up.
[00:17:27] To those events and experiences how we're treating them, right? And so then they react, respond to us influencing the outcome, and they're making meaning of our response and our reaction. And then again, that influences how they react and respond. And guess what? Our teens frontal lobe, the executive functioning of our teen's brain is in the process of development.
[00:17:57] It's not fully developed until late twenties. It is underdeveloped. And so where do our kids hang out? They hang out in their mid brain and their limbic system, and this is the land of lots of emotional reaction versus thoughtful response. It's just messy. It's messy all around. It's messy all around, and it's all of us in our emotions.
[00:18:24] Rarely getting to what's real, staying on the surface, staying in our hurt feelings. All of this makes it worse, but it doesn't have to be that way. In chapter two of Positive Discipline for Teenagers reminds us of that and so does my marriage counselor when she tells me and Ben that we are having equally valid separate realities.
[00:18:44] The same is true for a parent and a teenager. We are having equally valid separate realities, right? And when it things get slippery is when one or both of those parties believes that their experience, that their reality is more valid or more important. So we really get to pay attention here. Right. We really get to pay attention here because even though it can look, you know, even though we wanna do our own eye-rolling about our kids and maybe what they're going through and the choices that they're making, or what's making them upset or what's important to them, it is equally valid as what's important to us, right?
[00:19:38] So we get to treat it that way. We get to treat our teenagers. As if the experience that they're having is equally valid as the experience that we're having. Right. And once we can get there, the better things can feel as we move through the rough terrain of the teen years. Right. So this chapter, chapter two starts with making sure the message of love gets through.
[00:20:05] We talk about this on the podcast all the time. Do they believe you? What is their experience of you? I. Do they believe that you're on their side? Right? How do you know? Ask 'em. Right? And I appreciate in this chapter that there's also an acknowledgement that the world is a wild and crazy place. There are scary situations out there.
[00:20:26] There are worst case scenarios, right? There are things that are challenging and hard for our kids to move through, and our anxiety around our kids making mistakes. Which is what this time of their life is all about. It does not leave our kids feeling capable, so we gotta check the anxiety at the door.
[00:20:50] This chapter also highlights that it's the connection. Ding, ding, ding. It's the connection that we build with our kids that is the best armor for them as they move through not only the highs and lows of adolescents. But the highs and lows of life, right? Because it's not like you get to the other side of adolescence and life is just smooth sailing.
[00:21:11] I mean, come on. Aren't we all in our mid, in our midlife right now? You're out there, I see you. You're, some of you have lost kids. Some of you have lost partners, or divorced or lost parents, or lost a job. There's a lot of things to lose, right? Or been injured or are navigating your own health crisis. Or money crisis.
[00:21:33] There's so much, there's so many highs and lows, right? And isn't it true that the connection that we have with our community, with the people that we love, like we're, we're better able to move through the hard things when we feel like we have a solid, solid relationships and teams right around us?
[00:21:53] Connection is key. And your kids knowing that you have their back, that you believe in them, that you see them. This is what it's all about. We talk about this all the time on the pod and in the book page 25, um, the authors have seven tips for creating connection. So one, getting into our kids' shoes, looking through their lens.
[00:22:14] Number two, listening and being curious. I love that. Listen is first, right? Listen. Listen and be curious. Stop worrying. Number three, stop worrying about what others. Think and do what's best for your teen and your family. Right? Care more about the healthy development of your teenager than you do around what the neighbors think, or what you know Aunt Sally thinks, choose your kid.
[00:22:45] Replace humiliation with encouragement. Number four, number five, make sure the message of love gets through. There it is again. Number six, involve your teen in finding solutions, right? That co-creation, that collaboration sends this message of, Hey, I value your opinion. I think you're capable. I know that this is gonna be better for all if we're both engaged in this work towards solutions.
[00:23:14] Right. And then finally, number seven, make respectful agreements, which you've heard me talk a lot about. And another thing that I, I really like is this chapter, and again, we're just warming up things. We're just warming up in chapter two. This chapter concludes with a really important message, one that I think we all get to hear again and again and again.
[00:23:34] You and me and everyone. Change requires practice. Right. Our kids are moving into a new time of growth. They are in transition. So are we right? So are we. We're growing and pivoting how we are showing up for our babes. Maybe you're on your second or third kid and you've already done the teen thing, but maybe teenager number one required less attention or less structure, and now you've got teen number two or teen number three.
[00:24:09] Who you have to parent completely differently. Right? That's okay. That's okay. The important thing is you know your kid and you adjust, right? You adjust and you keep making sure that connection is being centered and that their experience of you is, yeah, I see you, I've got you. And not, I've got you. Like, you know, I'm in a helicopter, I'm gonna snowplow, I'm gonna take away everything that's challenging.
[00:24:38] Instead it's like, no, I'm gonna stand by you no matter what. Right? Even if things get a little hairy. So it's hard to let go of what may have seemed helpful during the first phase of parenting, or maybe for those you know, first kids, if you've got multiples, and to be willing to show up differently, it takes practice.
[00:25:00] And guess what? You will make mistakes alongside your teen. Fear and worry are sneaky and often push us back into that reactive, controlling way of being, which is not helpful, but it's okay. Pay attention. Notice when you get there. Take a breath, let it go. Move back towards connection and trust, right?
[00:25:25] That's really what I took away from chapter two.
[00:25:36] Now, chapter three, we're getting even more into the nitty gritty. Chapter three takes a closer look at parenting styles. I love talking about parenting styles in parenting classes. Yeah, and there's a couple different powerful activities that really support parents in embodying the different styles of parenting and how we show up.
[00:26:00] Our parenting style is either gonna be encouraging to our teens or discouraging to our teens. And remember what Rudolph Ryker, who was a student of Alfred Adler Adlerian theory is the psychology that positive discipline is built on. Rudolph Driker said A misbehaving child is a discouraged child, and the same is true for teens and their parents, right?
[00:26:26] So when we can look through the lens of, man, you sound really discouraged and get curious about what is creating the discouragement, we're gonna get so much farther. So the four styles that are highlighted in chapter three, the first one is the brick, right? Rigid controlling authoritarian. Maybe you were raised by this style of parenting.
[00:26:51] It can often invite rebellion or people pleasing, and sometimes the brick can delay individuation. It can push individuation off. Or you know, our kids might not ever individuate because they're so worried about being who. The parents want them to be. They don't explore what is true or real for me, right?
[00:27:16] So there's that authoritarian style. Top down my way or the highway, there's the rug You can imagine. Loosey goosey, wishy-washy, perhaps overprotective, spoiling, permissive. This style of parenting invites entitlement. Fragility and feelings of being incapable, right? When kids are raised in homes where everything's done for them, they're not building skills, right?
[00:27:50] They're not building skills, and they're expecting everybody else to do all the things for them from now until forever. Like, sorry, sorry. Future sons and daughters-in-law about that. And most of us swing between these two. Honestly, the brick is like the firmness, right? We gotta lay down the law and the rug is like the kindness.
[00:28:13] Aw babe, let me do it for you. I see you, you're having a hard time. I can't sit with your discomfort. So I'll help. And we swing between these two. We might start off kind of loose, easygoing till we can't stand our kids. And then, alright, we swing into rigidity, firmness till we can't stand ourselves. And then we swing back into that permissive nature.
[00:28:36] So it's a, it's an either or, right? We're either kind or we're firm and no shade. Right. When I do this activity, when we talk about this in parenting classes, everybody's kind of laughing and nodding their heads. 'cause they're like, yeah, that's totally me and kind or firm. It makes sense to us, right?
[00:28:57] Especially if we're unaware. That our emotions are really what's calling the shots and do we want our emotions to be calling the shots, right? The third parenting style, the third parenting style that's talked about in the book is the ghost, the neglectful, distracted, or absent parent, right? And there's a lot of reasons why this could be a parenting style that shows up in a home, right?
[00:29:26] If there are intense things happening. In the family, it makes sense that the adults might have to pay more attention somewhere else, right? We can't. We can't always know what's gonna show up, but this style when over time, right? If this is the overtime style, what's being invited is a real lack of self worth.
[00:29:50] Right. Like you don't care about me enough to spend time with me, right? Kids might be looking for belonging outside of the family, which could or could not be a good thing, right? They might be taking blame. It's my fault. My parent isn't paying any attention to me, isn't connecting with me, isn't showing up for me.
[00:30:10] Or there could be this parentification, I think that's the word where the teen, the young person kind of becomes the adult for the household, looks after siblings, makes sure things get taken care of, which, you know, on the surface it's like, oh, look at these life skills. But no, this is not what we want for our kids.
[00:30:32] Then finally, the fourth way, the fourth style, the positive discipline way, also known as kind and firm at the same time, parenting, right? And page 43 breaks down what this style teaches to teens. It teaches teens that freedom comes with responsibility, that mutual respect is practiced here. It teaches teens to believe I can learn valuable life skills such as problem solving, communication, and respect for others makes mistakes or opportunities to learn.
[00:31:09] Family members have their own lives to live, and I'm a part of the universe, not the center of the universe. Finally, my parent will hold me accountable through exploring the consequences of my choices in an atmosphere void of blame, shame, and pain. You know, it's so interesting to read that because I know I've said on here before how my kids are like, you're so strict.
[00:31:32] You were the strictest parent, which I worry that I was too permissive. And they always say like, no, you made us talk about everything. Like we had to process everything. And so when I see in print in this book that one of the invitations that we're giving out to our kids, one of the things that they're learning is my parents will hold me accountable through exploring the consequences of my choices in an atmosphere void of blame, shame, and pain.
[00:32:03] I can sit with that and be like, oh yeah, that's what I was doing. That's what I did. That's where they felt. They felt the accountability even without needing to take things away or ground them or be really angry or yell or blame, right. And listen, just because we know better doesn't mean we do better, right?
[00:32:27] That pendulum swing between rigid and permissive parenting is real. And it's a dance that we're super familiar with. So much so that, look, mom, no hands, we can do it with no hands, if you know what I mean. Right? It's, it can be such a part of us to let our emotions take charge. That it's really tricky and, and tough to interrupt that.
[00:32:51] That's really what we're going for here, is we're interrupting that kind of shoot from the hip, right? That reactive way of parenting to pause and be more thoughtful and remember what it is that we ultimately wanna create, right? How do we do that? Well, in the book they talk about. You know, first of all, understanding why it's a good idea, and I think you get this because you're listening to this podcast and you've been listening to this podcast.
[00:33:22] You understand? You see the big picture of, okay, I get it. I see why it would be really useful for my child and myself to work to move towards more kind and firm parenting. So first, understand why it's a good idea. Second, learn effective skills. Guess what? This book is full of effective skills as is this podcast.
[00:33:44] So you're in good, good hands. And finally, acknowledge that letting go of control can be scary. And I think this is big, especially for those of you out there. And I work with you, I love you. You're in the community who have kids that are doing stuff that's scary, right? That it feels like, oh my God, if I let natural consequences.
[00:34:06] You know, be what teaches the natural consequences might be too much. Right? Yeah. And I get it. I get it. Letting go of control can be scary, but you also don't really have the control that you think you have. So we're gonna shift from control to influence, and I believe that as we move through the rest of this book and keep just walking together.
[00:34:33] Your toolbox will fill with new skills that you will get better at With practice. Practice and a willingness to do it differently. Willingness isn't highlighted that much in this book. I think it's kind of assumed like, okay, well you're reading the book so you must be willing to try something different.
[00:34:52] But I think this is really key to all of it. 'cause it is those hard moments where you've gotta kick willingness into gear. Right. Because what gets in the way of willingness our need for instant gratification, our need to feel like we're doing something, we wanna see results and we wanna see them. Now we even convince ourselves that short-term results are good enough.
[00:35:16] And we forget that what our teens need is for us to keep our eyes on those long term results. Are they building life skills? Are they learning from their experiences? Are they developing self-awareness and critical thinking? Are they, and guess what? Positive discipline kids, they rebel. I remember when things got really hard for me.
[00:35:41] As my oldest moved into the teen years, I think I've told this story before. I thought, okay, shit, I've been doing this wrong because obviously all of this wild behavior is an indicator that I am no good at parenting. And I picked up the book again 'cause I'd already read it. God bless me, a year or two before adolescence hit.
[00:36:06] And I was like, I gotta revisit. And I was so grateful to find the chapter. There's a section in this chapter that's titled, titled, will Children Raised with Positive Discipline Still Rebel? Spoiler Alert, the answer is yes. This is what it says from the book. Children who were raised democratically and respectfully are often more confident about risk taking, rebelling, and learning.
[00:36:32] Right? Good times. Good times, but what I appreciate about that sentence is they're more confident about risk taking, rebelling, and learning. They're growing through what they're going through, right? Because you're standing right there, you're ready to receive, you're ready to hold the space, and remember all that mischief making that's going on in your house.
[00:36:54] It doesn't mean that you're doing a bad job.
[00:37:00] All right? So yeah. Wrapping up these first few chapters of positive discipline for teenagers adolescence is happening. So get informed, right? Begin working on building or continuing to nurture relationship and pay attention to your style. Notice your pendulum swing and work to interrupt it. Kind and firm.
[00:37:22] Parenting is where it's at, and as we move through the book, we'll come back to that again and again and again. So get your hands on a copy. You can go to positive discipline.com, order directly from them, Amazon, probably local bookstores, library. Get your hands on the book and um, read along. Right next Monday I'll be back and we'll talk about chapters four, five, and six.
[00:37:49] So looking forward to that. I'll also be here on Thursday with another little solo show. I really appreciate you and I will be back, like I said next week. Have a great one. I believe in you. We've got this. All right, bye.
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