Eps 579: Positive Discipline for Teens Part 6 – Handling Scary Behaviors

Today, joyful courage is leaning in with faith and trust that the learning IS happening. I get to believe that my kids are self-aware and care about the outcomes of their choices.

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[00:00:00] Casey O'Roarty: Welcome, welcome, welcome to the Joyful Courage Podcast. This is a place where parents of tweens and teens come to find inspiration, information, and encouragement in the messy terrain of adolescents this season of parenting. Is no joke. And while the details of what we're all moving through might be slightly different, we are indeed having a very collective experience.
[00:00:30] This is a space where we center building, relationship, nurturing life skills, and leaning into our own personal growth and man. The opportunities abound, right. My name is Casey O'Roarty. I am a parent coach, positive discipline lead trainer, and captain of the adolescent ship over at Sproutable. I'm also a speaker and a published author.
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[00:03:03] So it's really a giving back to the show when you do that. Thank you very much. Also, did you listen to this week's interview? I had a new interview go live on Monday. Monday was June 2nd and June is Pride month, so last year I was pretty on top of it and all of my interviews centered. The LGBTQIA plus experience.
[00:03:31] I'm less on top of it this year, but I was really glad to share my conversation with Christine Ti, she has a new book that just came out. All about her experience of moving through her child's gender journey and centered really the fertility experience. And I just, oh my gosh, I had no idea how much I was going to love.
[00:03:59] That interview I didn't know. I didn't know how much I was gonna so appreciate Christine and her story. I really believe in the power of storytelling. When we take the time to really listen to other people share their lived experiences, especially when they are different experiences from our own, it stretches us.
[00:04:24] It helps us grow our empathy and broaden our perspective and show up with more compassion stories connect us. They remind us that behind every belief, every behavior, every identity, there is a human being doing the best that they can, trying to live their fully expressed life. And when we listen with curiosity instead of judgment, we create space.
[00:04:47] For deeper understanding and a more inclusive world. And I mean, isn't that what we want? Don't we want a more inclusive world? Yeah, I do. That's that's what I want. And so I'm really stoked to use my platform. To, yeah, help the world be a more inclusive place. So if you didn't listen to Monday's show with Christine, I encourage you to do so.
[00:05:13] Today we're coming back to this positive Discipline for Teens book series where we're taking a deeper dive in the Positive Discipline for Teenagers book by Jay Nelson and Lynn Lott. It is such a useful guide. My copy is like so floppy and you know, I'm writing notes over notes, over notes. I don't even know how many times I've read this book.
[00:05:42] Every time I read it, I have a deeper appreciation for the content and the philosophy. A lot of like, oh, right, oh yeah, Uhhuh. Yep, yep, yep. As I read this book, I just. I love it. I love it, and I think it's so important because the idea is that positive discipline decreases the likelihood of problematic behavior, right?
[00:06:13] When we parent with positive discipline or decreasing the likelihood of problematic behavior, and. Mistakes continue to be opportunities to learn. Mistakes continue to be a part of the train of adolescents. Teen brain development happens no matter who you are, what kind of parenting style you engage in.
[00:06:35] Teen brain development happens and teenagers, again, no matter who they are, who their parents are, what their life experiences, they're great perceivers. But they are unskilled meaning makers. It's not a character flaw, it's their age. It's their lack of experience, right? So we get to remember that as we continue to learn about.
[00:07:00] This powerful work. So today I am covering chapter 13. Chapter 13 is a tough read. The title is, what Do You Do About Scary Behavior? I really appreciate that this chapter is included in the book. I think any book on parenting, especially parenting and adolescence, that doesn't highlight some of the really.
[00:07:29] Tough challenges that come with this time of parenting is not useful, and I get it. I understand why there are parent educators and authors and people that don't wanna touch some of these things because whoa, they're big. The authors of PD for teens included these pieces in this chapter, and I'm gonna say this again at the end.
[00:07:55] Each one of the challenges in this chapter do already have books dedicated to them. It's big. So the chapter starts off literally saying like, we're gonna start with the least scary, but you know, tough challenges nonetheless. So the first few challenges that they start with are lack of friends. When our teenagers have a lack of friends, or when parents don't like their kids' friends, or.
[00:08:25] When their kids are dealing with bullies. I appreciate all these chapters. There's a big highlight of self-confidence, like a running thread through these topics around friendship. There is a threat of encouragement and there is this conversation around. When to get involved. When to stay out of it. Right.
[00:08:54] And I think, you know, when we're talking about our kids not having any friends, there's an opportunity for us to lean into encouraging our kiddos to try new things, to mingle with new groups, and to remember that they get to be uncomfortable and. It's really important. Some of the advice in this book that I love, or in this part, this section, there's advice for parents to give their teens, especially around this whole lack of friends, which is be aware of the energy you create with your thoughts and your feelings about yourself.
[00:09:34] If you feel insecure, you'll act insecure. Something I say to my kids is, it's only as awkward as you make it, and they kind of roll their eyes at me. Apparently they don't believe me, but it's true. It is. It's only as awkward as you make it, right. So don't make it awkward. Get it together. The other thing that is shared is don't do to others what you don't want them to do to you.
[00:10:01] That's what I should have said. And you know, we have an opportunity to talk about gossiping, to talk about talking behind people's back. We get to encourage our kids to smile when they walk through the halls at school. Instead of keeping things like downcast and dark. Be an open invitation to relationships with others and be curious about others.
[00:10:29] So that's what's shared in the book around this section of lack of friends. And then when we lean into not liking our kids' friends, well listen, I. All kids are doing the best they can with the tools that they have, that they've developed through experiences and relationships. Our kids do not have a choice.
[00:10:51] I mean, cosmically, maybe they do, but that's a whole nother conversation. We show up in the families, we show up in, we show up in the, you know, the towns, the neighborhoods, the schools, and we're making the best of it, right? And I think it's really important for us to. Recognize that there are a lot of really discouraged kids out there.
[00:11:13] And not only are we in it for our kids, but we really should be in it for all kids, which means coming over to your house and hanging out with you and getting to know you and being in relationship with you could be a very powerful opportunity for the kids in your kiddos lives. You could be the person that lets them know that they matter deeply.
[00:11:38] You could be the person that provides them with the encouragement that they're not getting at home. So I. Open the door, invite them in, get to know them, and same, you know, when they talk about this section around bullying, I think something that's really important is that we take our kids seriously when they come to us and share that they're being bullied at school and not all of them do that.
[00:12:03] It might be up to us to pay attention to. Their behavior, right? Is your kiddo withdrawing? Do they have a lack of desire to go be out amongst the other kids in school functions? You know, is there something going on? Ask, right? Ask and get them help. And something I appreciate about this chapter two is that all it says, we recommend that all players in the bullying cycle get help with encouragement and empowerment.
[00:12:36] Right. I don't believe that there are bad kids. I think that there are deeply discouraged kids who are hurting, and one of the ways that they deal with the hurt is to hurt others, and the others that they're hurting might be your kiddo. So school communities really have a responsibility to. Gather everyone and talk about what it looks like to treat each other with dignity and respect.
[00:13:02] Positive discipline is something that many schools adopt, and the idea is that kids are taught to use classroom meetings during the school day for skill building, problem solving, and it's a way to nurture belonging and significance in the classroom. So if your kiddo is struggling with bullies at school, I would encourage you to go to the school and ask, you know, what is the social emotional learning program curriculum that they're using?
[00:13:34] How is restorative justice being taught and practiced in the school building? Right? Because everyone needs those skills, not just your kid. All the kids, right? The bystanders, the bullies, the victims, everyone gets to learn and practice better ways of relating to themselves and to others.
[00:14:07] Another section that's covered in this book, and it's one of the big ones. Is drug use and other addictive behaviors so that authors do spend time talking about drugs and teens propensity for experimenting using socially, and how it can slide into regular and problematic use. There are a lot of reasons why drug use is scary for adults, right?
[00:14:37] Maybe we have our own stories. Of what we did when we were teens that got us into trouble. Maybe we want our kids to avoid the mistakes that we made. Maybe we didn't do any, you know, experiment with drugs or substances. And so we don't have any, you know, all we know is worst case scenario, it makes sense that it's scary.
[00:14:58] It is scary. I mean, most drug addicts start using drugs when they're teenagers, so Yeah. And then we get all in our heads around like, oh God. Is my kid gonna be an addict if I found out that they tried marijuana or got drunk at a party? There's also lots of reasons why kids try substances and you know, some of the things that are talked about in the book is some teens say they wanna experiment, find out what it feels like.
[00:15:28] They wanna be a part of a group. They feel like substances, help them be less shy, less boring, freer. Faster, more engaging, right? Funnier, more relaxed. Sometimes they are doing what they hear and see their idols doing musicians, actors, influencers. So there's a lot of reasons why kids try drugs. And the way you communicate really matters.
[00:16:00] There are those kids who hear you say, Hey, I don't want you to do this. And they're like, okay, then I won't. Well, and then there's everybody else's kids, right? So you get to be explicit about your concerns. You get to be explicit about your values. You also get to say, Hey, and ultimately you're in charge of you and you control yourself, and you walk out the door and you make your decisions, and I'm gonna love you no matter what.
[00:16:29] Right? Communication matters. Keeping it real, keeping it honest, pulling back the curtain, speaking up when you notice that something seems off, dropping your judgment and really leaning into listening. Right, and curiosity can be really useful.
[00:16:55] This section talks about self-confidence and empowerment, right? Like how can we continue to nurture our kids' self-confidence and our kids' sense of empowerment, right? Especially if we do have kids that are trying things out and we're having these curious conversations, and maybe they decide. Yeah, you know, I don't wanna do this.
[00:17:18] Then we get to talk about like, so what does it feel like to be in a group of friends? And if this is something like, you know, if drinking or smoking pot is something that you guys have kind of started to do, when you hang out together, what's it gonna look like, sound like, feel like to hang out with that group?
[00:17:36] What are some back pocket responses you can have around why you're not partaking? So I think there's something really powerful. It's not talked about explicitly in this section, but I think harm reduction conversations are so important. I think that we owe it to our kids to talk about moderation and what that looks like, why it's hard, what the benefits are, because.
[00:18:01] At the end of the day, they might choose to use substances. Most of them. Many of them I don't know about most of them. Many of them do, right? And many of them choose to do it once, try it out, don't do it again while others, you know, can move into this continuum of use. That can happen over time that I'm gonna talk about in a minute.
[00:18:22] But developing those critical thinking skills. Through harm reduction conversations I think are so powerful and I talk about that a lot on the podcast. There are definitely episodes to check out that have to do with substances, pot use conversations we can have about critical thinking. I love that there is this whole continuum of use in this section.
[00:18:48] And it breaks it down. And I've read this to my kiddos more than once. Right? Just as a tool for talking about substance use. So there's the experimental use. Sounds like, okay, yeah, I heard about this thing. I'm curious. I wanna try it out. I wanna know what it feels like. I'm gonna try it, see what happens.
[00:19:07] There are social use, which involves using drugs for social occasions without letting it take over. Take control. There's regular use when it's become more ritualized, more habituated, there's problem use, which is when the drug use substance use gets in the way of managing your life. And there's chemical dependency, which is addiction, right when the drug is running your teen's life.
[00:19:41] Most kids who are using substances live in the social use, regular use, you know? And I think it's really powerful to, again and again and again. We just had a family meeting about this actually last night. Have conversations where you're checking in right with them about what's going on. You know, how are you using, what are you noticing?
[00:20:07] Is it a getting in the way? I have a lot of clients whose kids, especially around weed, you know, pot use, whose kids say, you know, it's fine. I'm doing fine. It's not getting in the way. And they really believe that and, and perhaps on paper there is no indicator that the use is getting in the way. This is really tricky, right?
[00:20:26] Because it's much easier when there is some clear, problematic choice. Or consequence that's happened because of the drug use. It's trickier when it's like, yeah, you do have, seemingly have all your shit together and this is something that you do on the regular. So again, that's when I would come back to, so when will you know that it's a problem and do you wanna get to that place?
[00:20:51] And how do you monitor? Right? Like I just am really curious with my kiddos about that. Or if there are problematic things, like I notice that you don't leave the house. I wonder if it's the pot that's getting in the way. I notice that you are getting into trouble, or you're doing this before work, or you're not getting your schoolwork done.
[00:21:12] I'm noticing these things. What do you think's getting in the way? Could it be your substance use? Right, so I do actually really appreciate this section of the book. I think it's really helpful and when use becomes problematic again, you might need to get some professional help. I love Hope Stream. I'll put a link to Hope Stream in the show notes.
[00:21:32] Brenda Zane is the host of that podcast, but she's got a whole membership program and so many resources for families where drug use has moved from kind of the social. Regular use into more problematic use and addiction and addiction recovery. So well done. To the authors on this section, I think it's super useful.
[00:21:54] And again, we're not controlling our kiddos, we're not rescuing our kiddos. We're setting boundaries. We're leaning into relationship. We're trusting the process, right? And trusting them and trusting ourselves. The next section that is scary behavior is about sex and pregnancy and STIs. You know, again, this, what is encouraged in the book is discussing your concerns and sharing your values, right?
[00:22:28] And you might value things around sex and relationship that your kiddos don't. And you just get to be with that, right? But you also get to educate them. You get to educate them around safety. You get to educate them around consent over and over and over and over and over again. Just like with the drug use.
[00:22:49] You get to have harm reduction conversations. You get to be really curious because remember curiosity when we're curious, when we're from coming from this really neutral, con curious place. What we're doing is not so much getting our kids to think the way that we think. What we're doing is we're prompting our kids critical thinking.
[00:23:14] What do I think about this? How am I considering what's important to me? We want to spark that inner dialogue for them. That's what Curiosity can do, right? Is to develop their inner dialogue. I know for me. It would've been very useful to have had a healthy adult who was curious about the choices that I was making in this domain, especially around sexual activity and consent.
[00:23:46] I did not have an adult that was having those conversations with me, and I wasn't really processing the choices that I was making, and I was absolutely making destructive choices. I made it out with minimal damage, but. It wasn't because somebody was, you know, supporting me in my own thinking about myself and my values, right?
[00:24:08] Education, conversation matters. Just because you talk to your kiddos about sex doesn't mean they're like, oh, permission. I'm gonna go have sex. Right? We want them to be educated, we want them to be educated. We want put a box of condoms in the bathroom, make sure they have access. To the resources that they need to stay safe, right?
[00:24:33] One of my favorite voices in this area is Amy Lang, and she's been on the podcast a bunch. I'll put some of her shows in the show notes. You have to be talking to your kiddos about this, not talking at them, talking with them. Lots of curiosity, lots of questions.
[00:25:01] There is also a section around sexual abuse. It's a short section. The main idea is believe your kids when they come to you and they share that they've been hurt, they've been abused. Believe them, right? Listen to them and get outside, help. These conversations matter, and when there's been abuse, healing needs to take place and healing really happens inside of a therapeutic loving relationship.
[00:25:38] Right. Another section of this chapter is about cutting. Self-harm. And what I appreciate about this section is this message that we wanna send, which is when we realize or find out, or are told by our kiddos that they've been self-harming through cutting, we get to say, you are not in trouble. And if you're doing this, you must be really deeply discouraged and we're gonna get you help for that.
[00:26:12] Cutting is a reflection of deep, deep pain and discouragement. There's a really powerful essay written by a teen who used Cutting as a coping mechanism, and they share really important information for parents from their perspective, which is Kids don't cut because they're being peer pressured. It's not a group think thing.
[00:26:43] Kids choose to cut their bodies to come out of a disassociative space so that they can feel like they're alive or they cut because it shifts their focus of pain. It gives them something else to feel. The most important thing we can do for our kiddos that are using Cutting as a coping tool is to let you know that you are there for them no matter what, that you love them, no matter what, and that you're willing to do whatever it takes to get them the help that they need.
[00:27:18] This is the most important thing we can do for our kiddos that are. Lacking in coping skills. That's really what it is. Cutting. It's a tool, it's a coping tool. It's not a healthy coping tool. It's a short term tool. But as they develop more skills for dealing with discouragement and challenges and tolerance, distress tolerance, then the cutting becomes a tool that they use less and less often.
[00:27:51] And it's scary for sure to know that your kiddo is engaging in that. So take a deep breath and take care of yourself and show up for them. Right? Another section in this chapter is about suicide and suicide. Hmm. What a tough topic. Mm. And like, ugh. I don't, it's a really tough topic. Yes. And really what happens when our kids consider suicide is that there is a loss of self-confidence, coupled with the idea that they have no control over their lives.
[00:28:37] It's so scary and emotional. And suicide is not catchy, right? It's not like if you bring it up, you ask your kiddo about what they're thinking, what they're feeling, what they're considering, that somehow you're giving them the idea of suicide. Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem, and you get to pay attention to the warning signs, and again, don't dismiss your kiddo's pain.
[00:29:09] Right. Be with them, sit with them, hold them, see them. This is a dark place and it's a temporary place. It can very much be a temporary place, and I think that's the message that we get to remind them of right now. It feels really dark. It's not always gonna feel this way, and I love you so much. We're gonna get you some help.
[00:29:36] This is bigger than our family can hold. We're gonna find you some help. And remember that if your child is in a dark place, it can feel really scary to consider, like letting somebody in and managing it. So you get to acknowledge that too with a lot of validation and a lot of unconditional love, but really also leaning into the firmness around.
[00:30:02] We're gonna get you some help. We're gonna get you some help. This is a big one, right? Teen suicide. You also, when this is what's happening, you also get to do the really important work of taking care of yourself. 'cause it can be a lot of these challenges that are showing up in this chapter. They can consume you.
[00:30:23] They can make it really difficult to live your life outside of these challenging. Struggles that your kiddo's having. It can consume you. You can become entrenched or enmeshed. Codependent. So pay attention to that too and take care of yourself. There is a section on eating disorders. Eating disorders. Man, so scary.
[00:30:50] If you are a parent with a kiddo who has an eating disorder, you know how all consuming. This is, and you know, it's what I found when I did a deep, deep dive, when there was some warning signs happening in our house, what I found was, oh yeah, this is not the afterschool special of the eighties, that everything's neat and tidy and fixed.
[00:31:14] At the end of the hour, it's, there's no quick fix. And anyone who's dealt with an eating disorder knows this, and parents, I love you. I love me. We're freaky about food. We want our kids to be healthy. Absolutely. We want them to have a healthy weight, a healthy body. We want them to have a balanced diet.
[00:31:36] Sometimes that gets overkill and makes things worse. The media culture makes things worse. If you think your kiddo has an eating disorder, you have to get outside help. This isn't something, this is real and big and can quickly escalate. So while this section, you know, kind of highlights. Some key points.
[00:32:05] It's, there's so much more to explore and research when it comes to eating disorders.
[00:32:16] And then the final section of this chapter is young adults who won't or can't leave home. Stay tuned. I'm, I have a whole podcast interview with a guest who works with highly dependent adult children, also known as failure to lunch kids. Kids that can't or won't move out. So, yeah, again, deeply discouraged kiddos, deeply discouraged, can't hold a vision of their future, right?
[00:32:44] Can't imagine or see themselves taking responsibility for their life, for their own household. You know, some of these kids that the home environment has made it so comfortable and so easy that they're not. It's kind of like, why bother moving out? It's easy to be here. I think more than that though, there is an anxiety, a lack of belief and confidence in themselves and you know, that's really hard.
[00:33:16] It's really hard. And granted, this isn't the same as kiddos that are at home because life is so expensive. If they're making contributions to the household and. Working and like have an active life and are saving money to eventually move out. That's a different story, right? That's a different story. But we should be encouraging our kids to fly.
[00:33:37] We should absolutely be. They should want to. They should want to be ready to grow and develop and experience their own life outside of the family home. So yeah, so there is this little section about that as well. So. My main takeaways from this chapter is really that all of these challenges are coupled with this deep discouragement from the kids, right?
[00:34:09] Deep discouragement, lack of self-confidence in healthier ways of doing life. Also, relationship with you as you help shepherd them through the scary stuff. So important and it makes the difference between whether or not they are growing through what they're going through, right? When they have a healthy place to process and share, and I know it.
[00:34:39] It is not easy to hold what they share. I get it. And you're gonna help them do so much better. When you can hold space for them to be honest with you about what's really hard and what's going on in their life. And that doesn't mean we don't say things like, this is really scary, or I don't want you to do this, or, this seems really destructive.
[00:35:04] Right? Say those things and you design your life. You get to make your own choices. You know, you get to be self-reflective around how this is. Helpful or hurtful, and I'm here for you. I love you. I'm here to listen. I'm here to support you when you're ready to get some help. Right? Again, you can be doing all the right things and the shit still hits the fan, right?
[00:35:33] If you are dealing with any of these challenges, it is not because you've done something wrong or aren't a good parent. These things happen in every type of family. Every type of family and every type of parenting style. This is the messy terrain of adolescents, right? You can lessen the blow, you can increase the likelihood of best outcomes on the other side when you stay connected, when you stay grounded and centered, when you keep your head out of the sand, right?
[00:36:06] When you are kind and firm, when your eyes are wide open and you're not afraid to do and say hard things. These are big challenges and scary topics. Yes, and like I said, many of them are a part of the train of adolescents. Now, one thing I'd like to say is I do feel like there could have been more conversation around the current mental health struggle that's happening with adolescents with Gen Z.
[00:36:43] I feel like that conversation is missing from this chapter and really from this book, and I know that the authors don't want to pathologize teens and at the time of publication, and remember this was republished in 2012. They felt like, you know, this was happening, that there was more and more medicating and pathologizing teenagers.
[00:37:07] But I'll tell you what's also happened since 2012. The astronomical rise in smartphone use. Right. So starting 2014, I mean, when was my kids, so 2012, Rowan was 10. Mine were seven and 10. So they had tablets, right? Computers, quote, computers were already getting smaller and smaller and things they could be walking around with, right?
[00:37:35] Or they had iPod touches. They had new ways of communicating with the world, and as the years went on, it became more and more likely that kids got phones, smart phones, phones in their pockets, computers access to the world in their pockets. Social media became super normalized and younger and younger kids were getting on apps like Snapchat and Instagram.
[00:38:03] It problematic a hundred percent. They do not need to be on there. We know this COVID also happened, so all of this is real, and a hundred percent has had a direct impact on the teens that are coming of age right now. The ones that we are raising, we didn't look downstream. We didn't see the potential damage.
[00:38:28] We didn't course correct and now we're living. With this current mental health crisis for teenagers and adolescents, right? The behaviors we're seeing in this chapter, chapter 13 of this book, manifest with this as a part of the many layers, right? COD, social media, smartphone use. Like I said, each section in this chapter could come with its own book for deep diving to understand it better.
[00:38:57] And I appreciate that the authors don't shy away from these topics. I'm really glad that they included them in the book. I think it's really important. Nothing bothers me more than when parent educators send the message of, oh, if you just do it this way, you can avoid having any problems, right? Because that is bullshit.
[00:39:19] And it sets parents up to fail and to feel a lot of guilt and shame.
[00:39:29] Chapter 13, positive Discipline for Teens by Jane Nelson and Lynn Lot. Thank you so much for hanging with me. We're almost done with this book, and like I said, at the top. It is so validating to move through this content again and, and again, and remember how strong this foundation is. Parenting through the teen years is messy, no matter who you are, as is the young adult years, I'm finding out the best thing we can do is to continue to lean in, nurture relationship, leave our judgment at the door.
[00:40:04] Send that message of faith in our kiddos and do our personal work to stay connected to ourselves out of reactivity. Stay responsible, stay grounded. Right. So next time I'm with you, I'm gonna talk about the final two chapters, which is are your unresolved teen issues getting in the way and the conclusion of the book.
[00:40:32] So pay attention. I'll be back soon with that. Have a beautiful day. Go drink some water, take a walk, sit out in nature. Bye.
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